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October 28, 2008

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Lori

beautiful post! I was waiting for the "but then...." part, and as soon as you mentioned that you were doing a little on line forum-ing, I knew where that "but then" was coming from. I used to be an avid reader and sometimes participator in the unschooling.com message boards (now defunct, or re-named) but decided a few years ago that I wasn't interested in such a dogmatic interpretation of unschooling.

and, I saw, and was the recipient of, too many cyber-spankings over similar issues. I'm not sure when the term unschooling got co- opted by a group of people dictacting a very specific set of instructions, but it kind of did a number on me for a while, had me kind of immobilized. And then I figured out that I didn't have to listen to what these people were saying- that unschooling is not a term that has one clear definition applicable to every family and every kid.

I discovered that I am more able to trust myself and my kids when I'm not participating, even as a lurker, in those kinds of message boards. I found that they just exhausted me, and kept me from being able to figure out what my kids needed.

Perhaps there is a need for a Rational Unschoolers Network (as opposed to Radical), but I suspect that it would be made up of people who've pretty much figured out that the people they most need to network with are their kids.


justyna

Thank you Lori. And this is precisely why I enjoy talking to people from our real community of unschoolers.
(That, and learning new words, like "cyberspanking".)

kristen

Last year I went to an Unschoolers Gathering and I was feeling like a fraud because even though to most people the amount of "schoolwork" we do is minimal and to most people's standards we are unschoolers-we are NOT radical unschoolers. My kids have bedtimes, I make them eat fruit and veggies, I make them brush their teeth and they may not sit in front of the TV all day etc... I was pleasantly surprised to hear many times that week, that unschooling does not mean unparenting. You need to do what works for your family and not woryy if you fit the label or if the label fits what you are doing. Just do what works. I often say we are very relaxed homeschoolers. Let them think what they want. It is those crazy radicals that think they have something to prove instead of just doing it -kind of like the religious zealots!

Justyna

Yes, I like the distinction between unparenting and unschooling. Also interesting is "classical unschooling" as outlined here by Doc (http://docsdomain.net/blog/?p=41).
I like the idea of a Rational Unchoolers Network, as long as it involves networking with the kids. Otherwise, I fear that turning anything into a "network" is only a short way from turning it into a "system", and then we're only a hop and a skip from an "ideology".
Let's just call ourselves rational, and leave it at that.

Lori

agreed!

the email discussion list I like most is called Unschooling Resources, and it's just a clearing house of "cool stuff".... no discussion about who is unschooly-er than thou... just people asking and answering posts like "my kid and I need a new chapter book, he really likes science fiction, what are your favorites"... and people posting cool links and so forth.

sadly the list has been very low traffic lately, but's it's been a really good resource in the past.

Lori

the radical unschooling list is not a place of open minds or even temperaments .. i hope you didn't tell them that you make your kids brush their teeth!! :^O (if you do! ;^)

Justyna

Somehow, I had an inkling that there a re more reasonable parents out there than not. I try to make my kids brush their teeth. But sometimes they outsmart me.
Thanks for stopping by, Lori. I've enjoyed reading about blind contour drawing on your site before (and about your Airstream...) I'll have to stop back and see what you're up to.

Kim

Hey, I don't know how I missed this post,or as Lori calls it, your cyber spanking. I haven't seen that thread but I have certainly seen many like them all over the web. I think it is more a result of the relative anonymity of the internet than it is a characteristic of this type of homeschooler. Anyway,dogma of any sort is an energy sucker not an energy giver. Sounds like you feel as if a place you trusted as safe to share no longer feels that way to you. Sorry to hear that. Here's hoping you have extracted your mind from it and are looking at all of the amazing things you and your kids have accomplished over the past two years thanks to your choices.

Veronica Boulden

I'm late to this. I noticed the other comments were made in November. I laughed at the word "cyber spanking" too and I will take that away from this and use it again. But, I want you to know that I think this post is profound. I like the quote at the very beginning and what you said at the end... "I will hold on to my principles. The most important of which is to let other people stand by theirs." I try to live by this myself, even when it is very uncomfortable for me and I think people are absolutely wrong. I just try to check myself and remember that others have often thought and may still think the same about me. :) Well said. Thanks.

Justyna

Never too late! I think this issue will be alive and well for a long time to come. Thanks for stopping by, and for your comments.

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